Peter de Jager

Peter de Jager

Today’s post is an audio of a conversation I had with Peter de Jager. Peter and I have both been in the change business for a very long time. We’ve crossed paths on occasion, but only recently opened a dialogue, and I have really enjoyed it. Peter is a prolific speaker (he has presented keynote addresses on change management in 37 countries) and has written hundreds of articles for publications as diverse as the Washington Post and Scientific America.

In the first segment, Peter describes what he means by “a rational assimilation of the future.” He also expounds on his opinion that resistance to change is a myth, his provocative way of presenting information, and why he hates standing ovations. Click the arrow on the bar below to listen.

 

Segment 2 is all about control—why do we want it so badly? What can we do when we feel out of control, and what can organizations do to restore a feeling of control to their employees?

Daryl also asks Peter what he hears the most from his audiences after making presentations—what do they resonate the most with, and what do they struggle with the most? Click the arrow on the bar below to listen.

 

The third segment could easily be called “Confessions.” Peter talks about being a “recovering change inflictor.” Click the arrow on the bar below to listen.

 

Peter describes a wonderful poster he created depicting a change agent superhero, then turns the tables on Daryl and asks how he came to originate the burning platform story. Click the arrow on the bar below to listen to segment 4.

 

For more information about Peter de Jager and his work, click here.

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A snapshot of Peter and Daryl during their conversation

A snapshot of Peter and Daryl during their conversation